Monday, January 31, 2011

Punishment for an Apostate in Islam

Unfortunately, the topic of the punishment for an apostate seems to come up all the time, and many Muslims have become apologetic to this issue. I felt a need to make a blog post about the Punishment for an Apostate in Islaam. All of these aHaadeeth are taken from Shee`ah books, so this will give you an insight into what is the REAL Shee`ah viewpoint of an Apostate. Majority of the aHaadeeth are taken from Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, Kitaab Hudood (Book of Punishments) from the chapter titles بَابُ حَدِّ الْمُرْتَدِّ (Chapter on the Punishment of an Apostate).

I have presented only SaHeeH (Authentic), Hasan (Good), and Muwaththaq (Reliable) hadeeth regarding this issue.

Punishment for a Male Apostate


عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ وَ عِدَّةٌ مِنْ أَصْحَابِنَا عَنْ سَهْلِ بْنِ زِيَادٍ جَمِيعاً عَنِ ابْنِ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنِ الْعَلَاءِ بْنِ رَزِينٍ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ مُسْلِمٍ قَالَ سَأَلْتُ أَبَا جَعْفَرٍ ع عَنِ الْمُرْتَدِّ فَقَالَ مَنْ رَغِبَ عَنِ الْإِسْلَامِ وَ كَفَرَ بِمَا أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ ص بَعْدَ إِسْلَامِهِ فَلَا تَوْبَةَ لَهُ وَ قَدْ وَجَبَ قَتْلُهُ وَ بَانَتْ مِنْهُ امْرَأَتُهُ وَ يُقْسَمُ مَا تَرَكَ عَلَى وُلْدِهِ

From Muhammad bin Muslim said: That I said Abaa Ja`far (عليه السلام) about the apostate (murtad). So he (عليه السلام) said: “Whoever turns away from Islaam, and disbelieves in what Allaah has revealed to the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) after being a Muslim, there is no repentance for him, and it is waajib (obligatory) to kill him, and his wife becomes a stranger to him, and his legacy be divided among his children.”
Source:
1.     Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, pg. 256, hadeeth # 1
Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Hasan Kal-SaHeeH (Good like an Authentic (hadeeth))
à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 23, pg. 396



مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنِ الْعَمْرَكِيِّ بْنِ عَلِيٍّ النَّيْسَابُورِيِّ عَنْ عَلِيِّ بْنِ جَعْفَرٍ عَنْ أَخِيهِ أَبِي الْحَسَنِ ع قَالَ سَأَلْتُهُ عَنْ مُسْلِمٍ تَنَصَّرَ قَالَ يُقْتَلُ وَ لَا يُسْتَتَابُ قُلْتُ فَنَصْرَانِيٌّ أَسْلَمَ ثُمَّ ارْتَدَّ عَنِ الْإِسْلَامِ قَالَ يُسْتَتَابُ فَإِنْ رَجَعَ وَ إِلَّا قُتِلَ

From `Alee bin Ja`far from his brother Abee Al-Hasan (عليه السلام) said: I asked him (عليه السلام) about a Muslim who becomes a Christian. He (عليه السلام) said: “He (should be) killed, and no repentance from him” I said: “What about a Christian who becomes Muslim then Apostates from Islaam?” He (عليه السلام) said: “He is asked to repent. And if he returns (to Islaam that is okay), or otherwise he is killed”
Source:
1.     Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, pg. 257, hadeeth # 10
Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Muwaththaq (Reliable)
à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 23, pg. 400

Regarding this hadeeth, I do not understand why Al-Majlisi has graded this as Muwaththaq (Reliable), all of the narrators are said to be thiqaat (pl. thiqah) and a 12’er Shee`ah. So this hadeeth should be classed as SaHeeH (Authentic).




Punishment for a Female Apostate:


  وَ فِي رِوَايَةِ غِيَاثِ بْنِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ جَعْفَرِ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ أَبِيهِ ع أَنَّ عَلِيّاً ع قَالَ إِذَا ارْتَدَّتِ الْمَرْأَةُ عَنِ الْإِسْلَامِ لَمْ تُقْتَلْ وَ لَكِنْ تُحْبَسُ أَبَداً

From Ghiyaath bin Ibraaheem from Ja`far bin Muhammad (عليه السلام) from his father (عليه السلام) That `Alee (عليه السلام) said: “When a woman apostates from Islaam, she is not killed, but she is imprisoned forever!”
Source:
1.     Al-Sadooq, Man Laa YaHDuruh Al-Faqeeh, vol. 3, Baab Al-Irtidaad, pg. 150, hadeeth # 3549
Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi I (Al-Majlisi's Father) said this hadeeth is Muwaththaq Kal-SaHeeH (Reliable like a SaHeeH)
à RawDah Al-Muttaqqeen, vol. 6, pg. 386


This hadeeth is actually graded as SaHeeH since the narrator Ghiyaath bin Ibraaheem is thiqah (trustworthy) and 12’er Shee`ah, and all the narrators in the tareeq (path) to Ghiyaath are thiqaaat (pl. thiqah) and 12’er Shee`ah. Al-Khoei says the tareeq of Al-Sadooq to Ghiyaath bin Ibraaheem is SaHeeH (See: Al-Khoei, Mu’jam Rijaal Al-Hadeeth, vol. 13, pg. 234, person # 9274)

Here is tareeq (path) from Al-Sadooq to Ghiyaath bin Ibraaheem: (all narrators are thiqaat)

فطريق الصدوق إليه: أبوه (رضي الله عنه) عن سعد بن عبد الله عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى عن محمد بن إسماعيل بن بزيع عن محمد بن يحيى الخزاز عن غياث بن إبراهيم





Punishment for Talking Against the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)

عِدَّةٌ مِنْ أَصْحَابِنَا عَنْ سَهْلِ بْنِ زِيَادٍ وَ عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ وَ مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ جَمِيعاً عَنِ ابْنِ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ سَالِمٍ عَنْ عَمَّارٍ السَّابَاطِيِّ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع يَقُولُ كُلُّ مُسْلِمٍ بَيْنَ مُسْلِمَيْنِ ارْتَدَّ عَنِ الْإِسْلَامِ وَ جَحَدَ مُحَمَّداً ص نُبُوَّتَهُ وَ كَذَّبَهُ فَإِنَّ دَمَهُ مُبَاحٌ لِكُلِّ مَنْ سَمِعَ ذَلِكَ مِنْهُ وَ امْرَأَتَهُ بَائِنَةٌ مِنْهُ يَوْمَ ارْتَدَّ فَلَا تَقْرَبْهُ وَ يُقْسَمُ مَالُهُ عَلَى وَرَثَتِهِ وَ تَعْتَدُّ امْرَأَتُهُ [بَعْدُ] عِدَّةَ الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا زَوْجُهَا وَ عَلَى الْإِمَامِ أَنْ يَقْتُلَهُ وَ لَا يَسْتَتِيبَهُ

From `Ammaar Al-SaabaaTee said: I hear Abaa `Abd Allaah (عليه السلام) he (عليه السلام) said: “Every Muslim amongst the Muslimeen who apostates from Islaam, and denies Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) prophecy and (call) him (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) a liar. His blood is allowed (to kill) whoever hears that from him. And his wife baa’inah (?) from the day of apostasy, and she should not go near him. And his wealth is divided amongst his heirs and his wife invokes upon herself `iddah of the death of her husband. And it is upon Imaam (leader) that he kills him, and does not ask for repentance”
Source:
1.     Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, pg. 257-258, hadeeth # 11
Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is SaHeeH (Authentic)
à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 23, pg. 400



عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ سَالِمٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع أَنَّهُ سَأَلَ عَمَّنْ شَتَمَ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ ص فَقَالَ يَقْتُلُهُ الْأَدْنَى فَالْأَدْنَى قَبْلَ أَنْ يَرْفَعَهُ إِلَى الْإِمَامِ

From Hishaam bin Saalim from Abee `Abd Allaah (عليه السلام) That he was asked about one who abuses the Messenger of Allaah (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) So he (عليه السلام) said: “He is to be killed, for the lowest of the low (rebuke) before he is taken to the Imaam”
Source:
1.     Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, pg. 259, hadeeth # 21
Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Hasan (Good)
à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 23, pg. 402




Punishment for Claiming Divinity of the Imaams (عليهم السلام)

Here is a SaHeeH hadeeth taken from Rijaal Al-Kashee, about the infamous `Abd Allaah bin Saba’.

حدثني محمد بن قولويه، قال حدثني سعد بن عبد الله، قال حدثنا يعقوب بن يزيد و محمد بن عيسى، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن هشام بن سالم، قال : سمعت أبا عبد الله (عليه السلام) يقول و هو يحدث أصحابه بحديث عبد الله بن سبإ و ما ادعى من الربوبية في أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب، فقال إنه لما ادعى ذلك فيه استتابه أمير المؤمنين (عليه السلام) فأبى أن يتوب فأحرقه بالنار.
From Hishaam bin Saalim said: I heard from Abaa `Abd  Allaah (عليه السلام)  and he said: “And he narrated from his companions the narration of `Abd  Allaah bin Sabaa’ and he called (to people) the lordship/divinity of Ameer Al-Mumineen `Alee bin Abee Taalib (عليه السلام). So he (عليه السلام) said: That Ameer Al-Mu’mineen ordered him to repent, but he refused. Then Ali let him burn in fire."
Source:
1.     Al-Kashee, Rijaal Al-Kashee, pg. 107, hadeeth # 171



عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ سَالِمٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ أَتَى قَوْمٌ أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ع فَقَالُوا السَّلَامُ عَلَيْكَ يَا رَبَّنَا فَاسْتَتَابَهُمْ فَلَمْ يَتُوبُوا فَحَفَرَ لَهُمْ حَفِيرَةً وَ أَوْقَدَ فِيهَا نَاراً وَ حَفَرَ حَفِيرَةً أُخْرَى إِلَى جَانِبِهَا وَ أَفْضَى مَا بَيْنَهُمَا فَلَمَّا لَمْ يَتُوبُوا أَلْقَاهُمْ فِي الْحَفِيرَةِ وَ أَوْقَدَ فِي الْحَفِيرَةِ الْأُخْرَى [نَاراً] حَتَّى مَاتُوا
A group came to Ameer Al-Mu’mineen (عليه السلام), and they said: “Assalaamu `Alayka (Peace be upon you), O our Lord (rabbanaa)! So he asked for their repentance, but they did not repent. So he dug a ditch for them and lit a fire in it and dug a ditch to its other side and conveyed between them. So when they did not repent he threw them in the ditch and lit in the other ditch until they died.
Source:
1.     Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, pg. 258-259, hadeeth # 18
Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Hasan (Good)
à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 23, pg. 401




Punishment for Declaring to be a Prophet


مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنِ ابْنِ فَضَّالٍ عَنْ حَمَّادِ بْنِ عُثْمَانَ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي يَعْفُورٍ قَالَ قُلْتُ لِأَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع إِنَّ بَزِيعاً يَزْعُمُ أَنَّهُ نَبِيٌّ فَقَالَ إِنْ سَمِعْتَهُ يَقُولُ ذَلِكَ فَاقْتُلْهُ قَالَ فَجَلَسْتُ لَهُ غَيْرَ مَرَّةٍ فَلَمْ يُمْكِنِّي ذَلِكَ

From Ibn Abee Ya`foor said: I said to Abee `Abd Allaah (عليه السلام) that Bazee` calims that he is a Prophet. So he (عليه السلام) said: “If you hear him saying that you (must) kill him”. He (the narrator) said: “I sat (with Bazee’) another time, and he (made it) impossible for that (killing him)”
Source:
1.     Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, pg. 259, hadeeth # 22
Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Muwaththaq Kal-SaHeeH (Reliable like an Authentic)
à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 23, pg. 403



مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنِ ابْنِ فَضَّالٍ عَنْ حَمَّادِ بْنِ عُثْمَانَ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي يَعْفُورٍ قَالَ قُلْتُ لِأَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع إِنَّ بَزِيعاً يَزْعُمُ أَنَّهُ نَبِيٌّ فَقَالَ إِنْ سَمِعْتَهُ يَقُولُ ذَلِكَ فَاقْتُلْهُ قَالَ فَجَلَسْتُ لَهُ غَيْرَ مَرَّةٍ فَلَمْ يُمْكِنِّي ذَلِكَ

From Ibn Abee Ya`foor said: I said to Abee `Abd Allaah (عليه السلام) that Bazee` calims that he is a Prophet. So he (عليه السلام) said: “If you hear him saying that you (must) kill him”. He (the narrator) said: “I sat (with Bazee’) another time, and he (made it) impossible for that (killing him)”
Source:
1.     Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, pg. 258, hadeeth # 13
Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Majhool (Unknown)
à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 23, pg. 401


Unfortunately, I do not have a clue to why Al-Majlisi has graded this hadeeth Majhool, when this is the same hadeeth that I have narrated previously. Both hadeeth have the same isnaad (chain of narrators) and the same matn (content). So I do not know his reasoning behind this grade. Based off of the previous grading, this hadeeth should actually be graded as Muwaththaq Kal-SaHeeH (Reliable like an Authentic)



Punishment for Intentionally Breaking Your Fast for Three Days


عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنْ يُونُسَ عَنْ أَبِي بَصِيرٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ مَنْ أُخِذَ فِي شَهْرِ رَمَضَانَ وَ قَدْ أَفْطَرَ فَرُفِعَ إِلَى الْإِمَامِ يُقْتَلُ فِي الثَّالِثَةِ

“Whoever is caught in the month of RamaDaan and he is breaking (his fast), he is taken to the Imaam, and he is killed in the third (offense)”
Source:
1.     Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, pg. 258, hadeeth # 12
Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Muwaththaq (Reliable)
à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 23, pg. 401


I do not understand why Al-Majlisi has graded this hadeeth as Muwaththaq (Reliable), since all of the narrators in the chains are thiqaat (pl. thiqah) and a 12’er Shee`ah. This hadeeth should be graded as SaHeeH.


ابْنُ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ سَالِمٍ عَنْ بُرَيْدٍ الْعِجْلِيِّ قَالَ سُئِلَ أَبُو جَعْفَرٍ ع عَنْ رَجُلٍ شَهِدَ عَلَيْهِ شُهُودٌ أَنَّهُ أَفْطَرَ مِنْ شَهْرِ رَمَضَانَ ثَلَاثَةَ أَيَّامٍ فَقَالَ يُسْأَلُ هَلْ عَلَيْكَ فِي إِفْطَارِكَ إِثْمٌ فَإِنْ قَالَ لَا فَإِنَّ عَلَى الْإِمَامِ أَنْ يَقْتُلَهُ وَ إِنْ هُوَ قَالَ نَعَمْ فَإِنَّ عَلَى الْإِمَامِ أَنْ يَنْهَكَهُ ضَرْباً

From Burayd Al-`Ijlee said: Aboo Ja`far (عليه السلام) was asked about a man who witnesses upon him (say) they witness that he broke (his fast) from the Month of RamaDaan three days. So he (عليه السلام) said: “Ask him: ‘Do you (belief) that breaking (your fast) is a sin?’ And if he says: “No”. It is upon the Imaam (leader) that he kills him, and if he says “Yes”, then it is upon the Imaam that he strikes him hard (?)”
Source:
1.     Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, pg. 259, hadeeth # 20
Grading:
1.       Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Hasan (Good)
à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 23, pg. 402

35 comments:

  1. Considering that some of the hadiths mentioned Imam, can we say that this particular hudud only implementable when a non-ghayba Imam presents? So, more or less, the same as Friday prayer?

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  2. Can you provide some anecdotes from history ?

    Thanks

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  3. @Brother Rotten Coconut:

    I don't think some of the punishments of apostasy are only for the Imaam (عليهم السلام). There are some that the community/individuals must adhere to. For instance, if you look at the hadeeth under the title "Punishment for Talking Against the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم)" it says:

    فَإِنَّ دَمَهُ مُبَاحٌ لِكُلِّ مَنْ سَمِعَ ذَلِكَ

    "Then that his blood is permissible for whoever hears that."

    That statement right there would be sufficient enough to show that if anyone apostates from Islaam and talks against the prophecy of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and calls him a liar, then his blood is permissible to take.

    @PeaceLoving:

    For example, the blood of Salmaan Rushdie, La'natullaah 'alayh, would be permissible to take because not only did he speak such bad things of our Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), but also, our Angel Jibraa'eel (عليه السلام) and, ultimately, Allaah (SWT). I personally have always believed the fatwaa against him has been justified and that might be one of Khumaynee's greatest achievements. (<--- Doesn't go against ahaadeeth.) It showed the Muslim world that the Shee'ahs cared just as much for their Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) then Sunnees do.

    Also, if you can't take a punishment that easy to judge on Salmaan Rushdie, then yeah, pretty much there would be no time to carry out a punishment. He violated almost every rule possible to become a legit apostate and tried to do it by hiding it behind a story book. Also, he tried to fake his coming back into Islaam, so he can not get killed. Another point of his guilt.

    Good website to read more about the analysis of the book "Satanic Verses" from a Muslim perspective:

    http://www.islamicentre.org/articles/rush.htm

    Wa Allaahu 'Alam

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  4. Living on america, would you kill sulman if presented with the opportunity?

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  5. these hadeeths only apply when the imam is present and the murtad (apostate) and it applies to people who don't just apostate but also actively fight Allah and his prophet(saww). if someone was convinced sincerely that Islam is not for him and changed religion then he is free to do so as this is the spirit of Islam :" No compulsion in the religion"

    very bad article , very bad and reflects badly on islam with lack of clarification of meanings of these hadiths!

    This is waht happens when kids thinking they are scholars use literalism like wahhabis. Islam is religion of forgiveness and we are not terrorists to kill anyone who changes his religion.

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  6. And look at the following hadith :

    QUOTE :عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عِيسَى عَنْ يُونُسَ عَنْ أَبِي بَصِيرٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ مَنْ أُخِذَ فِي شَهْرِ رَمَضَانَ وَ قَدْ أَفْطَرَ فَرُفِعَ إِلَى الْإِمَامِ يُقْتَلُ فِي الثَّالِثَةِ

    “Whoever is caught in the month of RamaDaan and he is breaking (his fast), he is taken to the Imaam, and he is killed in the third (offense)”
    Source:
    1. Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, pg. 258, hadeeth # 12
    Grading:
    1. Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Muwaththaq (Reliable)
    à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 23, pg. 401 End of quote

    I say by allah this hadeeth is a fabrication from the king of liars mohamed ibn issa ibn ubaid.

    he is weak according to sheikh tusi and his narration from yunos is particular like it is the case here is extremely munkar and rejected and also shaheed thani ripped this liar apart.

    this man should not be trusted and najashi made a big big mistake by saying he was thiqat and by Allah he is not.

    for breaking fast deliberately there's kaffarat and there's tawbah and many other rules.

    lahawla wala quwata illa billeh.

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  7. Wasil, please shut up. Sometimes you get annoying. I can take a little here and there, but when you start saying a SaHeeH hadeeth is da'eef, then I have a huge problem. Please explain away the greatness of this isnaad.

    مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يَحْيَى عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدً عَنِ ابْنُ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ سَالِمٍ عَنْ بُرَيْدٍ الْعِجْلِيِّ قَالَ سُئِلَ أَبُو جَعْفَرٍ ع عَنْ رَجُلٍ شَهِدَ عَلَيْهِ شُهُودٌ أَنَّهُ أَفْطَرَ مِنْ شَهْرِ رَمَضَانَ ثَلَاثَةَ أَيَّامٍ فَقَالَ يُسْأَلُ هَلْ عَلَيْكَ فِي إِفْطَارِكَ إِثْمٌ فَإِنْ قَالَ لَا فَإِنَّ عَلَى الْإِمَامِ أَنْ يَقْتُلَهُ وَ إِنْ هُوَ قَالَ نَعَمْ فَإِنَّ عَلَى الْإِمَامِ أَنْ يَنْهَكَهُ ضَرْباً

    From Burayd Al-`Ijlee said: Aboo Ja`far (عليه السلام) was asked about a man who witnesses upon him (say) they witness that he broke (his fast) from the Month of RamaDaan three days. So he (عليه السلام) said: “Ask him: ‘Do you (belief) that breaking (your fast) is a sin?’ And if he says: “No”. It is upon the Imaam (leader) that he kills him, and if he says “Yes”, then it is upon the Imaam that he strikes him hard (?)”

    Source:
    1. Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, pg. 259, hadeeth # 20

    Grading:
    1. Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Hasan (Good)
    à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 23, pg. 402

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  8. i am an apostate. strictly because your religion is god damn violent. if someone doesn't agree with your religion and leaves it, you kill him like the barbarians that you are. i refuse to believe in a god who can be so evil and cruel.

    what if the mohammed-era polytheists had killed everyone who left the polytheistic religion and converted to Islam? Islam would not exist because all the original muslims would be dead. the pre-mohammed polytheist were more civilized than the muslims; they didn't kill someone simply for leaving their religion.

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  9. Abu abdallah

    this is indeed a time of wonders , a nobody like you is having a go at his master. i spoke about a hadith and you gave me a hadith with different wordings and matn. What qualifications do you have to debate with me ?

    even the hadith you gave is rejected because it contradicts the other sahih hadiths in line with the spirit of the quran and the greatness of our religion and sheikh hurr al-amili compiled a whole chapter with many sahih hadiths about necessity of kaffarah only and there's no mention of killing people or torturing them and here's the chapter :

    8 ـ باب ان من افطر يوما من شهر رمضان عمدا وجب عليه مع
    القضاء كفارة مخيرة : عتق رقبة ، أو صوم شهرين متتابعين ، أو
    اطعام ستين مسكينا لكل مسكين مدّ ، فإن عجز تصدق بما
    يطيق وان تبرع أحد بالتكفير عنه أجزأه ، وله أن يأكل هو
    وعياله حينئذ مع الاستحقاق

    link:

    http://www.rafed.net/books/hadith/wasael-10/v02.html#14

    so people like you must shut up and stop putting people off this great religion of forgiveness and humanity.

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    1. Didn't Allah have a Basic Education?

      It just doesn't add up: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.

      Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and ... are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [Sura 5:90, also Sura 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [Sura 47:15, also Suras 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?

      Islam says that the prophecy in Bible has been fulfilled by the advent of Prophet Muhammad. Jesus says in the Bible, John 16:7 and 16:13:
      "If I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart I will send him unto you . . .We will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak . . ."

      The Comforter was the Holy Spirit, who did come..it was not Muhammad, another blunder in Islam...

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  10. I give Wasil right.

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  11. Brother anonymous thank you. All i do i appeal to reasons within all of us and our religion is from allah who is the master of logic and everything that contradicts logic and pure instinct then it's almost always wong or requires a reasonable interpretation.

    we have hadiths sahih saying that whoever deliberately breaks fast must replace that day and give food to the poor and if that person is poor then he can just ask for forgiveness.

    as for apostasy then i say it loudly: it's a human right and allah said:"there's no compulsion in religion" also allah the most merciful is not some kind of lunatic(astaghfirollah) who is bloodthirsty and waiting for the slightest slip to pounce on us.

    i just want people to wake up

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  12. Salamu Aleykum,

    Apostasy is indeed without a doubt punishable by death.
    However, the question is whether the apostate is in the land of Islam or in the land of Kufr. If the latter, then the apostate cannot be punished, if in the latter the apostate must be punished, but IF AND ONLY IF the apostate publicly and openly denounces Islam, which is the core constitution of an Islamic nation.
    In other words, an individual can privately leave Islam, even in an Islamic nation, just like how an individual could privately commit other sinful deeds. The Islamic government cannot interfere with the private lives of people.
    However, when these sinful deeds come to public, within an Islamic nation, in order to prevent and deter their spread, their perpetrator must be immediately and sharply punished.
    The punishment for apostasy is death.
    You can consider apostasy in an Islamic nation to be like treason in any other society.
    Treacherous individuals are always punished quite harshly.

    So, it is not a matter of all-or-none.
    There are different circumstances and different contexts.
    Under some circumstances apostasy is punishable by death, under other circumstances it is not.

    Now, stop bickering brothers, and please have respect for one another.

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  13. wa alaikom assalam

    I disagree brother and here i will give you some of the verse from the Quran from surat al-kahf 29 :

    And say: The truth is from your Lord, so let him who please believe, AND LET HIM WHO PLEASE DISBELIEVE....

    So Allah left the choice of believing or disbelieving to people and everybody will be held Accountable for his actions in the day of judgement. Absolute freedom of belief in this life but punishment will be in the hereafter and it has conditions even then

    yes there is tawator of hadiths about killing apostates and they must not be taken literally or understood with closed mind because they apply to people who didn't just declare kofr but also betrayed the Muslim nation and conspired against the Muslims to cause them harm. but to just change your religion then this is a personal choice and Allah is the judge in the hereafter.

    there's an other verse which is very clear also from surat yonos verse 99:

    If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! WILT THOU THEN COMPEL MANKIND, AGAINST THEIR WILL TO BELIEVE!

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  14. Salamu Aleykum Brother,

    I actually think we're in agreement.

    Punishment for apostasy can only be performed under Islamic government, through Islamic judicial system.

    The punishment is a punishment for social misdeed or misconduct, not private beliefs.

    As I said previously, private beliefs, and what an individual does in private are between the individual and Allah. However, when these misconducts are committed in public, and when one loudly and openly announces his disbelief against the very constitution of a land, similar to the act of treason, the individual must be ceased and sharply punished.

    In simpler words, even in an Islamic nation, everyone is "free" to leave Islam and become an apostate, in the same way that everyone is "free" to commit adultery, theft and gossip. If they do it privately, the government must remain out of their business.
    However, if their crimes are committed publicly, then the government must step in and punish the perpetrators.

    The punishment for fornication is lashing.
    The punishment for apostasy is execution.

    If fornication happens in private, no punishment from the government will be issued.
    If the apostasy happens in private, and remain in private, no punishment from the government will be issued.

    The punishment is issued only to prevent chaos and disunity within the Islamic nation, whose constitution is Islam.

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  15. As salamu alaykum,

    I must admit this post was very poorly written (or rather copied and pasted). The lack of explanation and portrayal of a black and white picture of this topic does no justice to Islam.

    Perhaps you should think before you post things like this, brother. It may benefit you and your place before Allah.

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  16. There is not a single example of the Holy Prophet or any of the Imams killing a person solely for leaving the faith. As such, irtidad used in these ahadith must be properly defined to avoid confusion and misunderstanding.

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  17. Assalaamu `Alaykum Brother SM,

    I don't think you've read the aHaaadeeth in this blog post carefully. First off, there are only 2 ma`soomeen of the 14 ma`soomeen who had the authority over a Muslim Ummah. One being the Prophet (SAWAS) and the other being Imaam `Alee (AS). Finding a story from the Prophet (SAWAS) is hard because of the fact that the apostasy punishment and hadd (punishments) in general came much later in his life during the years of Madeenah.

    Therefore the best person to look into is Imaam `Alee (AS) and his run as the khaleefah of the Muslimeen. There are two different instances of him killing an apostate. I have posted these two on the blog:


    حدثني محمد بن قولويه، قال حدثني سعد بن عبد الله، قال حدثنا يعقوب بن يزيد و محمد بن عيسى، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن هشام بن سالم، قال : سمعت أبا عبد الله (عليه السلام) يقول و هو يحدث أصحابه بحديث عبد الله بن سبإ و ما ادعى من الربوبية في أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب، فقال إنه لما ادعى ذلك فيه استتابه أمير المؤمنين (عليه السلام) فأبى أن يتوب فأحرقه بالنار.
    From Hishaam bin Saalim said: I heard from Abaa `Abd Allaah (عليه السلام) and he said: “And he narrated from his companions the narration of `Abd Allaah bin Sabaa’ and he called (to people) the lordship/divinity of Ameer Al-Mumineen `Alee bin Abee Taalib (عليه السلام). So he (عليه السلام) said: That Ameer Al-Mu’mineen ordered him to repent, but he refused. Then Ali let him burn in fire."
    Source:
    1. Al-Kashee, Rijaal Al-Kashee, pg. 107, hadeeth # 171



    عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ سَالِمٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ أَتَى قَوْمٌ أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ع فَقَالُوا السَّلَامُ عَلَيْكَ يَا رَبَّنَا فَاسْتَتَابَهُمْ فَلَمْ يَتُوبُوا فَحَفَرَ لَهُمْ حَفِيرَةً وَ أَوْقَدَ فِيهَا نَاراً وَ حَفَرَ حَفِيرَةً أُخْرَى إِلَى جَانِبِهَا وَ أَفْضَى مَا بَيْنَهُمَا فَلَمَّا لَمْ يَتُوبُوا أَلْقَاهُمْ فِي الْحَفِيرَةِ وَ أَوْقَدَ فِي الْحَفِيرَةِ الْأُخْرَى [نَاراً] حَتَّى مَاتُوا
    A group came to Ameer Al-Mu’mineen (عليه السلام), and they said: “Assalaamu `Alayka (Peace be upon you), O our Lord (rabbanaa)! So he asked for their repentance, but they did not repent. So he dug a ditch for them and lit a fire in it and dug a ditch to its other side and conveyed between them. So when they did not repent he threw them in the ditch and lit in the other ditch until they died.
    Source:
    1. Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, pg. 258-259, hadeeth # 18
    Grading:
    1. Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Hasan (Good)
    à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 23, pg. 401

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  18. common sense and Human rights must be respected..
    no one shall be killed for changing religion

    Islam is the religion of truth , however, we need to understand that killing people for apostasy is against the spirit of humanity and Islam

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  19. Really? So all these aHaadeeth from the Imaams are fabricated?

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  20. In the hadeeth about talking against the prophet it should translate as "and so she should not go near him" not him not go hear her.
    And for this part: تَعْتَدُّ امْرَأَتُهُ [بَعْدُ] عِدَّةَ الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا زَوْجُهَا
    I think a slightly better translate would be:
    "his woman invokes upon herself the iddah of the death of her husband"

    Brother Nader is there a way to add like and dislike buttons to the comments and the original blog post? If so you should add that if possible.

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  21. Thank you, bi_ithnillaah, I have changed the translations.

    I already have the "like" button under the title. I don't know if there is a "dislike" button that I can add.

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  22. Oh ok I didn't see that. What about for individual comments? Is there a script you can add? I think that would be a pretty cool feature if possible.

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  23. wa alaykum salaam brother Nader,

    both instances of Imam Ali (as) killing people was because they called him 'God' and not to do with apostasy per se. As I said, simply leaving the faith is not punishable by death, this was a bid'ah started by Khalid ibn Waleed because he wanted an excuse to kill Malik ibn Nuwayra (ra).

    Of course, if someone has become an apostate and then is causing fitnah in the land, as these people who called Imam Ali (as) god were, or those who were causing fitnah in the time of the Prophet (pbuh), then yes of course killing them has been commanded. This is what I meant by defining apostasy properly.

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  24. Nader Zaveri brother stated hadeeth are right and matching somehow to the main stream Muslims Hadeeth's regarding apostasy.
    @SM,you never miss a chance like Khawarij to blame great personalties.Grudge and jealousy?
    @Wasil.....I know you are qualified person,once i read your post,you have called 99% Shias Ghualis.We all know the Ghalis Shias are Kaffar...well Wasil do you have a single Agreed upon Hadeeth in Shias hadeeth books?I read Mufti jaffar Hussain that in we(Shiasim) there is huge problem in hadeeth,we dont have single agreed upon hadeeth and if we take one hadeeth it contradicts others......Please pay some light on it.

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  25. Whoever said that Shee`as do not have a single agreed upon hadeeth seriously doesn't know anything about Shee`ism. These aHaadeeth that I have put, are agreed upon by all our scholars from the classical to the contemporary.

    There is a reason why I am strict in my gradings of hadeeth, that way when a hadeeth is authentic, there is almost absolutely no way for it to be considered da`eef.

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  26. there is no forcing in Islam. (verse from Quran)

    if someone is breaking his own fast then why should we kill him. is not this hadees is going against the verse

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  27. Imam 'Ali (alayhi Salam) said : "No judgment, no sanction and no Jumu'a without an Imam Adl (as)."
    وعن علي (عليه السام) أنه قال: ا يصلح الحكم وا الحدود وا الجمعة، إا بإمام عدل
     
    Référence : Mustadrak ulWasil Vol-6 Page-14 

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  28. ha ha ha ...guys...
    if it is so complex and vague why don't you quit islam.

    God has naturally given inner vision and wisdom and common sense, mankind naturally does not need any one to tell him what to do and what not to do.

    Religions please spare humanity now.

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  29. Assalaamu `Alykum,

    @Anonymous 1:
    That hadeeth has no chain of narrators no nothing, so we surely cannot take that hadeeth and somehow say the every hudood cannot be applied during ghaybah. This is exactly why majority of our scholars haven't stopped the hudood.

    Wa `Alaykum Assalaam

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    1. Salam brother.

      Isn't the first hadeeth weak because it contains Sahl Ibn Ziyad? I have heard that he was a liar.

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  30. आरक्षण जिहाद !

    लगता है आजकल राजनेताओं का उद्देश्य देशवासियों की सेवा करना नहीं,बल्कि सत्ता हासिल करना है .जिसके लिए वह हर तरह के हथकंडे अपनाते रहते हैं .इसका एक ताजा उदहारण यह है कि पांच विधान सभाओं के चुनाव से पहले ही केंद्र सरकार ने मुसलमानों के लिए 4 .5 प्रतिशत का आरक्षण कर दिया .जो पिछड़े हिन्दुओं के 27 प्रतिशत से काटा जायेगा .जानकारों के अनुसार इस गैर संवैधानिक कदम से देश में आगे गृहयुद्ध की नौबत आ सकती है .क्योंकि मुलायम ,लालू ,और मा.क .प जैसी पार्टियाँ इसे कम मानती हैमुसलमान किसी न किसी बहाने से अपने जिन अधिकारों के लिए संघर्ष करते आये है .इसी को जिहाद कहा जाता है .धर्म के आधार पर देश को बांटना भविष्य में घातक हो सकता है .इस बात को ठीक से समझाने के लिए हमें जिहाद के बारे में पूरी जानकारी होना जरुरी है .जो यहाँ पर दी जा रही है -

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