tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post6075644928210393147..comments2024-03-10T07:55:27.062-07:00Comments on Reviving Al-Islaam: Punishment for an Apostate in IslamNader Zaverihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12550069168488631827noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-74540606760807055092019-07-01T03:40:20.750-07:002019-07-01T03:40:20.750-07:00A sentença de salam rushed foi revogada pelo Irã ....A sentença de salam rushed foi revogada pelo Irã ... poderiam dizer qual foi o motivo?<br />Os hadizes se nao tiver de acordo com alcorao joguem no lixo!!<br />Khomeini (ra) disse q ahlel kitab sao najes hoje a maioria incluindo khamenei dizem que sao taher.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-21216888614252565872012-11-18T11:16:09.612-08:002012-11-18T11:16:09.612-08:00Salam brother.
Isn't the first hadeeth weak b...Salam brother.<br /><br />Isn't the first hadeeth weak because it contains Sahl Ibn Ziyad? I have heard that he was a liar.Shi'ismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18104721079183930845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-61197479543156632062012-02-07T04:38:05.343-08:002012-02-07T04:38:05.343-08:00Didn't Allah have a Basic Education?
It just ...Didn't Allah have a Basic Education?<br /><br />It just doesn't add up: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property.<br /><br />Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and ... are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [Sura 5:90, also Sura 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [Sura 47:15, also Suras 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?<br /><br />Islam says that the prophecy in Bible has been fulfilled by the advent of Prophet Muhammad. Jesus says in the Bible, John 16:7 and 16:13: <br />"If I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you, but if I depart I will send him unto you . . .We will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak . . ."<br /><br />The Comforter was the Holy Spirit, who did come..it was not Muhammad, another blunder in Islam...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11457465656740982009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-55247833102876496102012-01-14T05:09:58.963-08:002012-01-14T05:09:58.963-08:00आरक्षण जिहाद !
लगता है आजकल राजनेताओं का उद्देश्य...आरक्षण जिहाद !<br /><br />लगता है आजकल राजनेताओं का उद्देश्य देशवासियों की सेवा करना नहीं,बल्कि सत्ता हासिल करना है .जिसके लिए वह हर तरह के हथकंडे अपनाते रहते हैं .इसका एक ताजा उदहारण यह है कि पांच विधान सभाओं के चुनाव से पहले ही केंद्र सरकार ने मुसलमानों के लिए 4 .5 प्रतिशत का आरक्षण कर दिया .जो पिछड़े हिन्दुओं के 27 प्रतिशत से काटा जायेगा .जानकारों के अनुसार इस गैर संवैधानिक कदम से देश में आगे गृहयुद्ध की नौबत आ सकती है .क्योंकि मुलायम ,लालू ,और मा.क .प जैसी पार्टियाँ इसे कम मानती हैमुसलमान किसी न किसी बहाने से अपने जिन अधिकारों के लिए संघर्ष करते आये है .इसी को जिहाद कहा जाता है .धर्म के आधार पर देश को बांटना भविष्य में घातक हो सकता है .इस बात को ठीक से समझाने के लिए हमें जिहाद के बारे में पूरी जानकारी होना जरुरी है .जो यहाँ पर दी जा रही है -Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11457465656740982009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-54634009752196440762011-12-18T07:25:30.150-08:002011-12-18T07:25:30.150-08:00Assalaamu `Alykum,
@Anonymous 1:
That hadeeth has...Assalaamu `Alykum,<br /><br />@Anonymous 1:<br />That hadeeth has no chain of narrators no nothing, so we surely cannot take that hadeeth and somehow say the every hudood cannot be applied during ghaybah. This is exactly why majority of our scholars haven't stopped the hudood.<br /><br />Wa `Alaykum AssalaamNader Zaverihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12550069168488631827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-74246447340367459262011-12-12T07:42:18.704-08:002011-12-12T07:42:18.704-08:00ha ha ha ...guys...
if it is so complex and vague...ha ha ha ...guys... <br />if it is so complex and vague why don't you quit islam.<br /><br />God has naturally given inner vision and wisdom and common sense, mankind naturally does not need any one to tell him what to do and what not to do.<br /><br />Religions please spare humanity now.Manu Tripathihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07200265368702085036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-15637378810761986122011-07-31T15:26:45.464-07:002011-07-31T15:26:45.464-07:00Imam 'Ali (alayhi Salam) said : "No judgm...Imam 'Ali (alayhi Salam) said : "No judgment, no sanction and no Jumu'a without an Imam Adl (as)."<br />وعن علي (عليه السام) أنه قال: ا يصلح الحكم وا الحدود وا الجمعة، إا بإمام عدل<br /> <br />Référence : Mustadrak ulWasil Vol-6 Page-14 Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-55902970062453799612011-06-26T03:24:13.995-07:002011-06-26T03:24:13.995-07:00there is no forcing in Islam. (verse from Quran)
...there is no forcing in Islam. (verse from Quran)<br /><br />if someone is breaking his own fast then why should we kill him. is not this hadees is going against the verseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-21411768243266952632011-03-21T23:57:03.608-07:002011-03-21T23:57:03.608-07:00Whoever said that Shee`as do not have a single agr...Whoever said that Shee`as do not have a single agreed upon hadeeth seriously doesn't know anything about Shee`ism. These aHaadeeth that I have put, are agreed upon by all our scholars from the classical to the contemporary. <br /><br />There is a reason why I am strict in my gradings of hadeeth, that way when a hadeeth is authentic, there is almost absolutely no way for it to be considered da`eef.Nader Zaverihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12550069168488631827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-10730194433363144752011-03-15T17:04:56.219-07:002011-03-15T17:04:56.219-07:00Nader Zaveri brother stated hadeeth are right and ...Nader Zaveri brother stated hadeeth are right and matching somehow to the main stream Muslims Hadeeth's regarding apostasy.<br />@SM,you never miss a chance like Khawarij to blame great personalties.Grudge and jealousy?<br />@Wasil.....I know you are qualified person,once i read your post,you have called 99% Shias Ghualis.We all know the Ghalis Shias are Kaffar...well Wasil do you have a single Agreed upon Hadeeth in Shias hadeeth books?I read Mufti jaffar Hussain that in we(Shiasim) there is huge problem in hadeeth,we dont have single agreed upon hadeeth and if we take one hadeeth it contradicts others......Please pay some light on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-44492099963672780522011-02-27T19:18:22.574-08:002011-02-27T19:18:22.574-08:00wa alaykum salaam brother Nader,
both instances o...wa alaykum salaam brother Nader,<br /><br />both instances of Imam Ali (as) killing people was because they called him 'God' and not to do with apostasy per se. As I said, simply leaving the faith is not punishable by death, this was a bid'ah started by Khalid ibn Waleed because he wanted an excuse to kill Malik ibn Nuwayra (ra).<br /><br />Of course, if someone has become an apostate and then is causing fitnah in the land, as these people who called Imam Ali (as) god were, or those who were causing fitnah in the time of the Prophet (pbuh), then yes of course killing them has been commanded. This is what I meant by defining apostasy properly.SMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11725557143417683991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-10842212700569741722011-02-19T23:57:26.110-08:002011-02-19T23:57:26.110-08:00Oh ok I didn't see that. What about for indivi...Oh ok I didn't see that. What about for individual comments? Is there a script you can add? I think that would be a pretty cool feature if possible.bi_ithnillaahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17382583654536067930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-36674868778050962222011-02-19T17:30:02.086-08:002011-02-19T17:30:02.086-08:00Thank you, bi_ithnillaah, I have changed the trans...Thank you, bi_ithnillaah, I have changed the translations.<br /><br />I already have the "like" button under the title. I don't know if there is a "dislike" button that I can add.Nader Zaverihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12550069168488631827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-24497884399282664052011-02-19T06:02:31.890-08:002011-02-19T06:02:31.890-08:00In the hadeeth about talking against the prophet i...In the hadeeth about talking against the prophet it should translate as "and so she should not go near him" not him not go hear her. <br />And for this part: تَعْتَدُّ امْرَأَتُهُ [بَعْدُ] عِدَّةَ الْمُتَوَفَّى عَنْهَا زَوْجُهَا <br />I think a slightly better translate would be:<br />"his woman invokes upon herself the iddah of the death of her husband"<br /><br />Brother Nader is there a way to add like and dislike buttons to the comments and the original blog post? If so you should add that if possible.bi_ithnillaahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17382583654536067930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-24078645570066517752011-02-14T23:44:52.994-08:002011-02-14T23:44:52.994-08:00Really? So all these aHaadeeth from the Imaams are...Really? So all these aHaadeeth from the Imaams are fabricated?Nader Zaverihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12550069168488631827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-20942061699917783422011-02-14T23:09:23.578-08:002011-02-14T23:09:23.578-08:00common sense and Human rights must be respected..
...common sense and Human rights must be respected..<br />no one shall be killed for changing religion<br /><br />Islam is the religion of truth , however, we need to understand that killing people for apostasy is against the spirit of humanity and IslamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-91111142471954337322011-02-14T21:14:01.353-08:002011-02-14T21:14:01.353-08:00Assalaamu `Alaykum Brother SM,
I don't think ...Assalaamu `Alaykum Brother SM,<br /><br />I don't think you've read the aHaaadeeth in this blog post carefully. First off, there are only 2 ma`soomeen of the 14 ma`soomeen who had the authority over a Muslim Ummah. One being the Prophet (SAWAS) and the other being Imaam `Alee (AS). Finding a story from the Prophet (SAWAS) is hard because of the fact that the apostasy punishment and hadd (punishments) in general came much later in his life during the years of Madeenah. <br /><br />Therefore the best person to look into is Imaam `Alee (AS) and his run as the khaleefah of the Muslimeen. There are two different instances of him killing an apostate. I have posted these two on the blog:<br /><br /><br />حدثني محمد بن قولويه، قال حدثني سعد بن عبد الله، قال حدثنا يعقوب بن يزيد و محمد بن عيسى، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن هشام بن سالم، قال : سمعت أبا عبد الله (عليه السلام) يقول و هو يحدث أصحابه بحديث عبد الله بن سبإ و ما ادعى من الربوبية في أمير المؤمنين علي بن أبي طالب، فقال إنه لما ادعى ذلك فيه استتابه أمير المؤمنين (عليه السلام) فأبى أن يتوب فأحرقه بالنار.<br />From Hishaam bin Saalim said: I heard from Abaa `Abd Allaah (عليه السلام) and he said: “And he narrated from his companions the narration of `Abd Allaah bin Sabaa’ and he called (to people) the lordship/divinity of Ameer Al-Mumineen `Alee bin Abee Taalib (عليه السلام). So he (عليه السلام) said: That Ameer Al-Mu’mineen ordered him to repent, but he refused. Then Ali let him burn in fire."<br />Source:<br />1. Al-Kashee, Rijaal Al-Kashee, pg. 107, hadeeth # 171<br /><br /><br /><br />عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ سَالِمٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ أَتَى قَوْمٌ أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ ع فَقَالُوا السَّلَامُ عَلَيْكَ يَا رَبَّنَا فَاسْتَتَابَهُمْ فَلَمْ يَتُوبُوا فَحَفَرَ لَهُمْ حَفِيرَةً وَ أَوْقَدَ فِيهَا نَاراً وَ حَفَرَ حَفِيرَةً أُخْرَى إِلَى جَانِبِهَا وَ أَفْضَى مَا بَيْنَهُمَا فَلَمَّا لَمْ يَتُوبُوا أَلْقَاهُمْ فِي الْحَفِيرَةِ وَ أَوْقَدَ فِي الْحَفِيرَةِ الْأُخْرَى [نَاراً] حَتَّى مَاتُوا<br />A group came to Ameer Al-Mu’mineen (عليه السلام), and they said: “Assalaamu `Alayka (Peace be upon you), O our Lord (rabbanaa)! So he asked for their repentance, but they did not repent. So he dug a ditch for them and lit a fire in it and dug a ditch to its other side and conveyed between them. So when they did not repent he threw them in the ditch and lit in the other ditch until they died.<br />Source:<br />1. Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7, pg. 258-259, hadeeth # 18<br />Grading:<br />1. Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Hasan (Good) <br />à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 23, pg. 401Nader Zaverihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12550069168488631827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-10329986458970965942011-02-14T10:34:19.014-08:002011-02-14T10:34:19.014-08:00There is not a single example of the Holy Prophet ...There is not a single example of the Holy Prophet or any of the Imams killing a person solely for leaving the faith. As such, irtidad used in these ahadith must be properly defined to avoid confusion and misunderstanding.SMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11725557143417683991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-34973014985183512042011-02-11T19:03:42.836-08:002011-02-11T19:03:42.836-08:00As salamu alaykum,
I must admit this post was ver...As salamu alaykum,<br /><br />I must admit this post was very poorly written (or rather copied and pasted). The lack of explanation and portrayal of a black and white picture of this topic does no justice to Islam. <br /><br />Perhaps you should think before you post things like this, brother. It may benefit you and your place before Allah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-81586322424310539982011-02-11T07:20:35.685-08:002011-02-11T07:20:35.685-08:00^ Agreed^ AgreedAsad Ghorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08366184750280394655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-68912912211240197492011-02-03T17:51:53.099-08:002011-02-03T17:51:53.099-08:00Salamu Aleykum Brother,
I actually think we'...Salamu Aleykum Brother, <br /><br />I actually think we're in agreement. <br /><br />Punishment for apostasy can only be performed under Islamic government, through Islamic judicial system.<br /><br />The punishment is a punishment for social misdeed or misconduct, not private beliefs.<br /><br />As I said previously, private beliefs, and what an individual does in private are between the individual and Allah. However, when these misconducts are committed in public, and when one loudly and openly announces his disbelief against the very constitution of a land, similar to the act of treason, the individual must be ceased and sharply punished.<br /><br />In simpler words, even in an Islamic nation, everyone is "free" to leave Islam and become an apostate, in the same way that everyone is "free" to commit adultery, theft and gossip. If they do it privately, the government must remain out of their business. <br />However, if their crimes are committed publicly, then the government must step in and punish the perpetrators. <br /><br />The punishment for fornication is lashing.<br />The punishment for apostasy is execution.<br /><br />If fornication happens in private, no punishment from the government will be issued.<br />If the apostasy happens in private, and remain in private, no punishment from the government will be issued.<br /><br />The punishment is issued only to prevent chaos and disunity within the Islamic nation, whose constitution is Islam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-31239220466436405762011-02-03T16:04:26.921-08:002011-02-03T16:04:26.921-08:00wa alaikom assalam
I disagree brother and here ...wa alaikom assalam <br /> <br />I disagree brother and here i will give you some of the verse from the Quran from surat al-kahf 29 :<br /><br />And say: The truth is from your Lord, so let him who please believe, AND LET HIM WHO PLEASE DISBELIEVE....<br /><br />So Allah left the choice of believing or disbelieving to people and everybody will be held Accountable for his actions in the day of judgement. Absolute freedom of belief in this life but punishment will be in the hereafter and it has conditions even then<br /><br />yes there is tawator of hadiths about killing apostates and they must not be taken literally or understood with closed mind because they apply to people who didn't just declare kofr but also betrayed the Muslim nation and conspired against the Muslims to cause them harm. but to just change your religion then this is a personal choice and Allah is the judge in the hereafter. <br /><br />there's an other verse which is very clear also from surat yonos verse 99:<br /><br /> If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! WILT THOU THEN COMPEL MANKIND, AGAINST THEIR WILL TO BELIEVE!wasilhttp://trueshiachat.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-54077081837051013982011-02-02T20:14:36.630-08:002011-02-02T20:14:36.630-08:00Salamu Aleykum,
Apostasy is indeed without a dou...Salamu Aleykum, <br /><br />Apostasy is indeed without a doubt punishable by death. <br />However, the question is whether the apostate is in the land of Islam or in the land of Kufr. If the latter, then the apostate cannot be punished, if in the latter the apostate must be punished, but IF AND ONLY IF the apostate publicly and openly denounces Islam, which is the core constitution of an Islamic nation. <br />In other words, an individual can privately leave Islam, even in an Islamic nation, just like how an individual could privately commit other sinful deeds. The Islamic government cannot interfere with the private lives of people. <br />However, when these sinful deeds come to public, within an Islamic nation, in order to prevent and deter their spread, their perpetrator must be immediately and sharply punished. <br />The punishment for apostasy is death.<br />You can consider apostasy in an Islamic nation to be like treason in any other society. <br />Treacherous individuals are always punished quite harshly. <br /><br />So, it is not a matter of all-or-none. <br />There are different circumstances and different contexts. <br />Under some circumstances apostasy is punishable by death, under other circumstances it is not.<br /><br />Now, stop bickering brothers, and please have respect for one another.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-81390795083777594442011-02-02T12:14:05.460-08:002011-02-02T12:14:05.460-08:00Brother anonymous thank you. All i do i appeal to ...Brother anonymous thank you. All i do i appeal to reasons within all of us and our religion is from allah who is the master of logic and everything that contradicts logic and pure instinct then it's almost always wong or requires a reasonable interpretation.<br /><br />we have hadiths sahih saying that whoever deliberately breaks fast must replace that day and give food to the poor and if that person is poor then he can just ask for forgiveness.<br /><br />as for apostasy then i say it loudly: it's a human right and allah said:"there's no compulsion in religion" also allah the most merciful is not some kind of lunatic(astaghfirollah) who is bloodthirsty and waiting for the slightest slip to pounce on us.<br /><br />i just want people to wake upwasilhttp://trueshiachat.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-82575031501445367622011-02-02T11:57:27.498-08:002011-02-02T11:57:27.498-08:00I give Wasil right.I give Wasil right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com