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Its an interesting article, however Im no...Salams,<br /><br />Its an interesting article, however Im not sure I agree with all the points. There are many narrations like this and Al Khoie has a good explanation in his Al Bayan, but I think instead of moving hadith like this to daef status and ignoring them, I agree with Majlisi and to do that basically removes the use of hadith as most can be weakend in someway or another.<br /><br />Instead I think these hadith are in 3 groups, <br />1. Suggest a reduction, but to the Quran we have today which is the completed version. <br />2.Then there are hadith which suggest general tahreef which is in terms of the meaning, which is undeniably true.<br />3. That the wording we have today is wrong, and these hadith are generally very weak.<br /><br /><br />Ahmedhttp://islam.hilmi.eunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-11032644574029372702013-06-05T00:02:55.322-07:002013-06-05T00:02:55.322-07:00I love these books and these books are converted t...I love these books and these books are converted to audio in my company and many more books are converted into android application. You can also recite Holy Quran. <a href="http://myislamiapps.com/islamicapps/Apps/AppDetail.aspx?appid=592&pkg=com.zoxcell.sahihmuslim.urdu#.Ua7VyKx0_cs" rel="nofollow">Sahih Al-Muslim Hadith In Urdu</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12967511355805388000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-41966532593933712512012-09-25T11:15:43.143-07:002012-09-25T11:15:43.143-07:00Nader wat's ur opinion about "Tarjuma wa ...Nader wat's ur opinion about "Tarjuma wa Tafseer Maqbool Ahmed Dehalvi"?<br />There are many such proves in that book which proves that shia beleive in Tehreef Of Quran?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17528390209327610456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-56921599177302983962012-01-26T11:27:23.053-08:002012-01-26T11:27:23.053-08:00الرواية المذكورة يُقصد بها مجموع آيات القرآن الحكي...الرواية المذكورة يُقصد بها مجموع آيات القرآن الحكيم والوحي التأويلي الذي هو بمثابة الأحاديث القدسية، فمجموعها يبلغ مقدار سبعة عشر ألف آية، ولا يقصد بذلك أن القرآن ناقص أو محرف.<br />قال الشيخ الصدوق رضوان الله تعالى عليه: "قد نزل من الوحي الذي ليس بقرآن ما لو جُمع إلى القرآن لكان مبلغه مقدار سبع عشرة ألف آية". (الاعتقادات للصدوق ص85)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-56446229213040910692011-09-28T19:52:14.425-07:002011-09-28T19:52:14.425-07:00As you can see Muhaddith al-Noori says that this i...As you can see Muhaddith al-Noori says that this is the same hadeeth and matn that is in al-Sayyaari's Kitaab.<br /><br />كذا في نسختي وهي سقيمة والظاهر سقوط كلمة سبعة قبل عشرة لاتحاده متناً وسنداً لما في الكافي<br />“So in my copy it is ill (wrong) and apparently the word saba`ah (seven) has been dropped before the `ashrah (ten). The same matn (content) and sanad (chain of narrators) that is in Al-Kaafi”Nader Zaverihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12550069168488631827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-39490544909186371862011-09-28T19:25:16.487-07:002011-09-28T19:25:16.487-07:00One correction to Farid's claim, I did not sim...One correction to Farid's claim, I did not simply use the source by Non-Muslim editors. What he forgot to read was Muhaddith al-Noori's book called FaSl al-Kitaab, where he says Ahmad bin Muhammad al-Sayyari in his Kitaab al-Qiraa'aat, so it shows that this hadeeth was in al-Sayyari's book, and not something the non-Muslims made up.Nader Zaverihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12550069168488631827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-23101186473352723292011-09-26T11:33:20.596-07:002011-09-26T11:33:20.596-07:00Brother Farid has talked about this article here:
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bro can you tell m...jazak Allah dear Nader bro...!<br /><br />bro can you tell me why this belief in al-bada was compulsory for all PROPHETS to acknowledge?<br /><br />and bro one more request that i have seen ahadith in Al-Kafi narrating from IMAM that "any hadith that contradict with quran o sunnah(sahi) is useless statement"<br /><br />this is what i wanted to see and i have found!i like these ahadith!<br /><br />plz write a ARTICLE as well on these ahadith ... it will be beneficial for all of us ... and u know well then me!<br />MAY ALLAH BLESS YOU AND YOUR LOVERS!adeelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-69330396849563789202011-01-24T22:05:40.749-08:002011-01-24T22:05:40.749-08:00Assalaamu `Alaykum brother,
This specific hadeeth...Assalaamu `Alaykum brother,<br /><br />This specific hadeeth you mentioned is not saheeh but it is da`eef (weak) because of it being mursal, here is the hadeeth:<br /><br /> عِدَّةٌ مِنْ أَصْحَابِنَا عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ خَالِدٍ عَنْ بَعْضِ أَصْحَابِنَا عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَمْرٍو الْكُوفِيِّ أَخِي يَحْيَى عَنْ مُرَازِمِ بْنِ حَكِيمٍ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع يَقُولُ مَا تَنَبَّأَ نَبِيٌّ قَطُّ حَتَّى يُقِرَّ لِلَّهِ«» عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ بِخَمْسِ خِصَالٍ بِالْبَدَاءِ وَ الْمَشِيئَةِ وَ السُّجُودِ وَ الْعُبُودِيَّةِ وَ الطَّاعَةِ <br /><br />Source:<br />Al-Kaafi, vol. 1, pg. 148, hadeeth # 13<br />Grading:<br />Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Mursal (disconnected)<br />-> Mir'aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 2, pg. 141<br /><br />^^ The reason why this hadeeth is "mursal" is because in the middle of the chain of narrators it says عَنْ بَعْضِ أَصْحَابِنَا which automatically makes the mursal, which is a form of da`eef hadeeth.<br /><br />This hadeeth with a similar matn (content) is found saheeh through other chains.<br /><br />1.)<br /> عَلِيٌّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ هِشَامِ بْنِ سَالِمٍ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ مُسْلِمٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ع قَالَ مَا بَعَثَ اللَّهُ«» عَزَّ وَ جَلَّ نَبِيّاً حَتَّى يَأْخُذَ عَلَيْهِ ثَلَاثَ خِصَالٍ الْإِقْرَارَ لَهُ بِالْعُبُودِيَّةِ وَ خَلْعَ الْأَنْدَادِ وَ أَنَّ اللَّهَ يُقَدِّمُ مَا يَشَاءُ وَ يُؤَخِّرُ مَا يَشَاءُ <br />“Allah did not send any prophet without three characteristics. Acknowledgement (1) of being His servant and worshipper, (2) that there is nothing like Him and (3) that Allah may bring<br />forward whatever He so wills and may take back whatever He so wills.”<br /><br />Source:<br />Al-Kaafi, vol. 1, pg. 147, hadeeth # 3<br />Grading:<br />Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Hasan (Good)<br />--> Mir'aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 2, pg. 137<br /><br />Here is another hadeeth:<br /><br />2.)<br />عَلِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ الرَّيَّانِ بْنِ الصَّلْتِ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ الرِّضَا ع يَقُولُ مَا بَعَثَ اللَّهُ نَبِيّاً قَطُّ إِلَّا بِتَحْرِيمِ الْخَمْرِ وَ أَنْ يُقِرَّ لِلَّهِ بِالْبَدَاءِ <br />Al-RiDa (AS) said:"Allah never sent a prophet without the law that prohibits the use of wine and without belief in al-Bada.”<br /><br />Source:<br />Al-Kaafi, vol. 1, pg. 148, hadeeth # 15<br />Grading:<br />Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is Hasan (Good)<br />-> Mir'aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 2, pg. 142<br /><br />I hope that is what you were looking for brother.Nader Zaverihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12550069168488631827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-23810859058927127312011-01-21T05:13:50.919-08:002011-01-21T05:13:50.919-08:00Thanks bro your article is really owesome!
bro pl...Thanks bro your article is really owesome!<br /><br />bro plz tell me if all the narrator of this hadith are authentic or not.. <br /><br />Al - Kafi<br />H 376, Ch. 24, h 13<br />It is narrated from a number of our peole from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalid fro some of<br />our people from Muhammad ibn ‘Amr al-Kufi brother of Yahya from Murazim ibn<br />Hakimwhos has said the following.<br /><br />I heard abu ‘Abdallah (a.s.) saying, "No prophet has ever proclaimed prophethood before<br />acknowledging before Allah about five things. Acknowledgement of al-Bada’, of the wish of<br />Allah, the prostration, affirmation of worshipping and obedience."adeelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-70678926317730574532011-01-21T02:18:31.813-08:002011-01-21T02:18:31.813-08:00Brother, if you read the full blog post from the b...Brother, if you read the full blog post from the beginning to the end, I prove that it is actually aHmad bin Muhammad bin Siyaaaree.<br /><br />You will have to read it one more time again, maybe.<br /><br />This is the nitty gritty of rijaal and diraayah al-hadeeth.Nader Zaverihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12550069168488631827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-38822831377351018832011-01-21T00:03:47.413-08:002011-01-21T00:03:47.413-08:00bro Nader and other plz tell me how we can say tha...bro Nader and other plz tell me how we can say that Ahmed bin Mohammad was actually Ahmed bin mohammad bin siyari? cuz there were many ahmed bin mohammad ...... and saying that this ahmed bin mohammad as Siyari (confidently) is i thing may be wrong!<br />Plz reply me fast>>!<br /><br />so this can be defended?adeelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3962955340723370670.post-39035281705136194102010-10-13T10:44:54.694-07:002010-10-13T10:44:54.694-07:00This is the best article in this blog. absolutely ...This is the best article in this blog. absolutely fantastic. I still think the hadith is mursal but it's good to shatter the argument of those who insist it's not. so hadith is weak and i say fabricated no matter which corner you look at it from.<br />great workWasilnoreply@blogger.com